Tuesday, December 06, 2005

ID: mini-roundup

Oh dear.

Bérubé discovers even smart academics can be really stupid - postmodernism and "science of a radically different sort".

Key quotes: "ID deserves space less for what it’s done recently than as a representative of the main counter-tradition in the history of science to the one represented nowadays by Neo-Darwinism" and "In this respect, ‘our’ side pulled its punches in the Science Wars when it refused to come out and say that the scientific establishment may not be the final word on what science is, let alone what it ought to be. " - both by S. Fuller.
So, he got the rope. I look forward to Michael's response.

PZ discovers the NYT has a sense of humour - key quote: " Mr. Davis noted that the advocates of intelligent design claim they are not talking about God or religion. "But they are, and everybody knows they are," Mr. Davis said. "I just think we ought to quit playing games. It's a religious worldview that's being advanced." "

A Bérubé readers points to this fascinating piece in NRO - key quote: "Phillip E. Johnson once said that the ID debate is about the question whether the U.S. is a nation under God or a nation under Darwin. We Muslims see the latter as a plague; we have no problem with the former. " - M. Akyol

So, if I read this right, Mr Johnson is a cheese eating surrender monkey; and if the US, and Europe too if they wish, would just surrender their value systems and become literalist theocracies, then it'd be ok.
Well, until the doctrinaire disputes start, of course.

Strangely counter to this thesis is that much of Europe is establishmentarian; there are State Churches and official State Religions. Curious that.

Turkey, as I recall, is officially secular. Hmmm. Mr Akyol lives in Turkey.


Blogger Kayhan Gultekin said...

Turkey, as I recall, is officially secular.

Actually, much like the European states that Turkey has been trying to emulate since the 1920s, Turkey has an official church but is militantly secular. In 1998 (I think) the military advised the prime minister to resign because he was too theocratic for their tastes. His party's base could be compared to the religious base of the Republicans in the US, and their rhetoric could be compared to either the Republicans or the Democrats.

Evinced by the popularity of the ousted theocratic party and its supposedly secular replacement, which gained a plurality in the most recent elections, there are obviously many in Turkey who oppose secularism.

So it is difficult to claim Turkey as representative of the Islamic world or of the secular world.

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